If the Chinese polluted like we do, they'd be responsible for about 75% of the pollution." - Realityville
Thank you for proving my point that pollution is related to the production of goods and not to population. You're right. If it were related in any way, shape or form to population, China would produce 75% of the world's pollution(not quite 75% but the exaggeration works for you, I guess)
"Now, how could two countries contribute to all of the world's pollution you ask? Well, they couldn't. You've still got all the other countries in the world polluting...and many of them are emerging into industrial ages where the burning of fossil fuels and the raping of the land are unregulated. Its like what happened in America when we utilized every resource without thinking about our future need of such resources. We're only now reacting to this mistake.
Maybe you want endless war for resources around the world (water, oil, land) when all the emerging countries follow our lead and deny responsibility for our actions. I'd prefer we use our brains and technology to use our resources smarter. I'd argue you are the lazy one (though, mentally). You'd rather light a match and toss it on a gallon of oil to heat your house. I'd rather invest in capturing the sun's rays (or wind, or water) and turn that free natural resource into heat/light. " - Realityville
Good thing our economy's going to be in great shape after we decrease the production of goods in order to cut emissions so much that other countries no longer want to purchase our overpriced goods and choose to purchase lesser priced goods from other countries that pay absolutely no attention whatsoever to the ratio of emissions they produce to the goods they output. You'll have a great job in that environment and will easily be able to afford to purchase your green products that will have to be produced in third world countries since we will no longer be able to increase our production of goods in order to create these things. We'll decrease our emissions so Iran and other countries can increase theirs 100 times over. Now who's left to police those nations? We won't be able to...Can't now for anything and surely won't be able to once we're reduced to something less than the super power we are now in order to satisfy the uninformed tree huggers of the world that don't understand that we are the only country on this planet that actually cares about everyone else. Once we, ourselves, are a third world nation and the rest of the world is killing us all with their pollution, what then? Put some thought into things. Perhaps you should ask Stan Lee. Maybe he has an answer for you.
"For Immediate Release
December 17, 2009
Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425
EXECUTIVE ORDER
- - - - - - -
AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL
AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION ENTITLED TO
ENJOY CERTAIN PRIVILEGES, EXEMPTIONS, AND IMMUNITIES
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
December 16, 2009."
Now what does this really mean? It is one more step to a One World Order.
Here's the bottom line:
"INTERPOL, an international law enforcement agency, has just been granted complete and utter "diplomatic immunity" within the borders of the United States, courtesy of Obama. They are not subject to any Constitutional limitations within the United States. Good luck filing for discovery, documents, witnesses or subpoenas against a police force that is operating outside of the Constitution in your own country! You can't sue them. Their records can't be searched. They are not subject to FOIA requests. You probably won't even know the name of the agent prosecuting you if INTERPOL comes to visit. And they don't have to tell you either. "
If you really care to know what happens to this original 'executive order', Reagan signed in '83', by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them" here is a link to explain it in more detail. It is interesting that this obscure 1983 "executive order" has surfaced suddenly amended by this administration without open debate.
U.S. Population =304,059,724 (that's 304 M-m-million)=5% (plus or minus) of world population
China Population=1,325,639,982 (that's 1 B-b-billion=18% (plus or minus) of world population
If the Chinese polluted like we do, they'd be responsible for about 75% of the pollution.
Now, how could two countries contribute to all of the world's pollution you ask? Well, they couldn't. You've still got all the other countries in the world polluting...and many of them are emerging into industrial ages where the burning of fossil fuels and the raping of the land are unregulated. Its like what happened in America when we utilized every resource without thinking about our future need of such resources. We're only now reacting to this mistake.
Maybe you want endless war for resources around the world (water, oil, land) when all the emerging countries follow our lead and deny responsibility for our actions. I'd prefer we use our brains and technology to use our resources smarter. I'd argue you are the lazy one (though, mentally). You'd rather light a match and toss it on a gallon of oil to heat your house. I'd rather invest in capturing the sun's rays (or wind, or water) and turn that free natural resource into heat/light.
"With great power, comes great responsibility." - Stan Lee
2. It is ridiculous to think people with mental illness can cure themselves. How can the person with the diseased mind cure that same diseased mind? And the psychiatric community, by their own admission, doesn't have a cure for mental illness. Those who should be leaders but instead clean toilets, and those who can't even rise that far and ARE homeless, that's the best the mental health industry can do for them. They can’t cure them either.
3. It is not their life. Whether it is physical or mental illness, whatever we personally think of suicide, it is not our right to decide the issue for another. By "helping" prevent suicide; the psychiatric community sets itself up as God. The Hippocratic oath does compel doctor’s to help. In certain cases, the best help to be offered is none. Let the poor suffering incurable soul end their torture.
4. The ones who decide those who suffer incurable illness must go on suffering it don't have to live with that illness. It's easy to say someone can't take the so called "easy" way out when you're not that someone. If they had to spend even a week living the existence of those suffering debilitating, incurable physical or mental illness, they might not be so quick to judge.
I myself suffer from mental ilness and, although I am not currently suicidal, if I am in the future, I strongly believe that I, as a consenting adult, who has a debilitating, incurable disease, should be allowed to end my suffering instead of having it prolonged against my will for another 20 or 30 years.
In certain cases, suicide prevention is not mercy. It is cruelty.
All this is is a massive redistribution of wealth plan. If this plan is implemented, it will cripple the economies of the wealthiest countries in order to give other countries catch-up time. If this is what people want, that's fine. Maybe there should be opportunity for other countries to develop their economies. Let's just call it what it is then instead of hiding it behind a global warming scam. Every single country on this planet has an opportunity to make deals with other countries, develop their own internal economies, etc. It's not our fault that we managed to use our collective minds to develop into a thriving economy that supports most of the rest of the world. People in this country are given opportunities to help themselves and choose to sit back instead and do nothing but complain. The same goes for other countries. They also have been given opportunities throughout history to develop. Instead they want to sit back and have us handicap ourselves in order to make things "fair". Enough is enough. It doesn't make our planet a better place to bring people down to the levels of the less fortunate in order to make things fair. All that does is lower the average in order to make some feel better. We already do this enough and it's costing us. Curved grading systems in school are a good example. Lately our schools here in Champaign are doing the same...They've decided that some students aren't doing well due to issues in their family, communities, inability to pick up material, poor teaching, whatever....Rather than deal with those individual students in order to boost them up, we've decided to move students around throughout the school district yet again to make the overall average look better. Now the schools that were doing well due to the families, communities, ability to pick up material, good teaching, whatever are suffering so the few didn't have to be helped.
Stop it America!!! Stop crippling our Nation and our planet just so you can feel good about yourself. If you want to help others, boost yourself up as much as you possibly can and then use that wealth, position or knowledge that you've gained to help others. Don't chop yourself off at the knees just so you don't feel like you're looking down at others.
The grasshopper thinks the ants a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.
CBS,NBC,PBS,CNN and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
America is STUNNED by the sharp contrast.
How can this be,that in a country of such wealth , this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Kermit the frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing, "its not easy being green".
ACORN stages a demonstration in front of the ants house where the news stations film the group singing "we shall overcome" Then Rev. jerimiah Wright has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshoppers sake.
President Obama condemns the ant and blames Pres. Bush, Pres. Reagan, Christopher Columbus and the Pope for the grasshoppers plight.
Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant had gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.
Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of summer.
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes,his home is confiscated by the Government Green Czar and it is given to the grasshopper.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ants food while the government house he is in , which as you recall, just happens to be the ants old house , crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesnt maintain it.
The ant has dissappeared vin the snow , never to be seen again.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident,and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the ramshackle , once prosperous and once peaceful neighborhood.
The entire nation collapses bringing the rest of the free world with it.
The is the greatest fraud ever attempted on the United States and her people. Under no circumstances should this even be taken seriously, let alone funded by our (already over the top) tax dollars. Clean house in 2010!
Thursday, December 17, 2009 at 8:18 AMReport
deekomuves
New Jersey
ENOUGH ALREADY! I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK! How dare these bandits trying to ram their agenda down our throats.
Thursday, December 17, 2009 at 8:18 AMReport
paparocks
Virginia
America is one of the cleanest nations in the world. We are already leading by example which is IMMENSELY costly to us. WHO? other than Clinton is so stupid as to think it is America's place to also PAY backwards nations to follow the lead we are already setting ? When has the money we paid EVER been spent on what it was intended for ? Clinton is terminally naive to put it nicely.
Thursday, December 17, 2009 at 8:19 AMReport
jergar
undisclosed
That's not just no, it's H*LL NO!!!!!
Thursday, December 17, 2009 at 8:19 AMReport
recoilarms
Texas
Climate change such as global warming is a scam by progressivist to increase government powers and to set the stage for a global government. It's the reason that our schools here in America are being taken over by liberals and our history is being watered down so as to be politicaly correct so to say. Just like health care; government regulations are the reason why health care is so expensive(ex. you can't buy insurance from another state or medications imported from other countries, even though it's the same exact med.) Progressives and liberals such as Obama understand that if you use government to create a crisis you can use that crisis to enlarge it's power and take control over the country's citizens and take away their freedom. The next agenda for Obama is the 1st and 2nd amendments. Is this the change YOU wanted when you voted? If so I say that you're anti-American!
Thursday, December 17, 2009 at 8:19 AMReport
hoguetj@msn.com
undisclosed
Government spending is out of control. Why would we commit billions of dollars for something that apparently has been rigged by the scientists to try and scare us. This is an underhanded political ruse to get developed countries to funnel billions of dollars into poor foreign countries under the guise of combating global warming that may or may not exist. Keep the money at home and reduce our ballooning deficit.
Thursday, December 17, 2009 at 8:20 AMReport
icymikey
Florida
The DC madness must stop now.Mr Obama says we must pass all bills to keep from going bankrupt. Who's crazy? We must clean sweep DC in the upcoming elections.I thought an Ivy League education was supposed to make you smart.The red house proves otherwise.All who read this "PRAY FOR AMERICA".
Thursday, December 17, 2009 at 8:20 AMReport
lacrosse
Connecticut
The US spends BILLIONS a year feeding and funding countries across the globe. We defend the weak, feed the hungry and build for those who cannot. We SHOULD NOT fund global warmign effrorts. China, India and Australia have already indicated they will not participate. Why is the US everyone's piggy bank? If the world has a choice - for the US to feed the hungry or fund global warmign efforts - which would they chose? Let them pick one - and we will do it. They should not get both.
Thursday, December 17, 2009 at 8:20 AMReport
me1978
Florida
Anyone who believes in global warming doesn't believe in God. God is in charge of everything and if man believes they are in charge of the climate then they are blasphemous. Blasphemous because they are claiming to be their own God. God is in charge; there is no such thing as Global Warming!
Thursday, December 17, 2009 at 8:21 AMReport
Can you respond, JUST ONCE, without coming off as a complete and total asshat? If you would step off a minute and THINK, and I do know this is difficult because of your hatred for intellectuals, you could quickly and reasonably find the opposite to his argument. He doesn't believe in God/s because there is no evidence yet there is no evidence that they DON'T exist. To quote The Boondocks for a minute, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence." Fact is, we can't prove god exists anymore than we can disprove him. So some people go "glass half empty" whereas other people are "glass half full." Doesn't make them wrong based on this stance nor does it make you wrong.
"Cretinous wordplay is a hallmark of so-called intellectuals."
Aren't you the one who's calling everyone a retard? Cretinous behavior at its core. And it's not deceptive in the slightest. You read something, assumed it meant something other than what he claimed, and went off. It's not really wordplay, in fact the words are quite clear in their intentions. And you go bashing intellectuals again. Keep in mind us terrible intellectuals have provided you power, cheap food, computers, and turned the average lifespan from 30 years old to 90 years old. We certainly can't be ALL bad, can we? If so, then please quit using the fruits of our labor while spitting in our eye.
"Realberg is demonstrably......"
I just can't follow this up anymore but instead offer you a view that MAYBE you haven't considered. Year by year, more and more people are turning away from your faith. Your kind (not Christians in general, just the militant people) love to come up with all sorts of conspiracy theories about how society is hunting you down and persecuting you. History would normally step forward and say "Turnabout is fair play you murderous genocidal monsters" but that is neither here nor there. Because it's not REALLY the rise of intellectuals or the embracing of science that is turning people away. It never has been. So while the church was burning people just for discovering better forms of fire and locking away those charting stars as warlocks, the questions were rising. If God is love, why are the followers so hateful and mean? The rising popularity of the phrase "Dear God, please save me from your followers" is for good reason. Most Christians are fine upstanding folks. MOST. But then there are the people like you, thenakaii, that damages your faith more than 100 preachers receiving their "get out of jail free by going to the Vatican" card after 20+ years of raping little boys. If I know nothing of your faith except the face you've put forward here on this message board alone, I wouldn't take ANYTHING you have to say seriously. After all, in the same post someone stated God is Love, they called that person an idiot. What, what, what? Where IS the love?
And the very worst part about this all is people like you, thenakaii, go out in public. You're the public face of your faith and when you act like this, you confirm every negative stereotype of christianity. You, as an embassador of your faith, are much more damaging to your cause than a Richard Dawkins book.
Science is not a religion. Period. And rational thought is a process by which to validate claims. Claims such as "there is a god" that cannot be validated.
Next:
Please understand "empericist" before you use the term. Name calling is not a valid argument for or against your position.
Next:
"Also he is not very consistent in that he would never dream of calling out adherents of other religious thought. Just Christians. He and his crowd have targeted the adherents of Christianity and labeled them everything BUT a white man. LOL Methinks he doth protest too much, kind sirs." thenakaii
Uh, there seem to be no Muslims, Jews, Zorastrians here feeling inadequate enough to drone on about how their god can beat up my non-belief in gods. But, to be fair, anyone who believes in gods is not basing their believe on evidence for a god or gods, rather they are basing their belief in the trust of other men's interpretations of other men's texts.
Next:
Your incoherent Obama=lame. Your chastising the non-mentioning of his Nobel? What an odd position. I call you out on not commenting on banks paying back our tax dollars. Thanks Obama for your clear thinking in restricting pay to CEOs in order to encourage the paying back of our money.
Do not waste your time pasting another's interpretation of the Bible. The Bible is no authority. You see it as one, but then you think you see a lot of things that are not there. Frankly, I don't expect you to understand your biblical gibberish either. These passages have been interpreted in countless ways resulting in thousands of religions. Why do you think your way (or the way of the individual you plagiarized) is any more accurate than any of the ways people have read the Bible (and its evolutionary byproducts) over two millennia?
Peace.
Happy GOATS ON FIRE Day!
P.S. You should give http://www.preteristvision.org credit for the usage of their material in your last post. Hey, wait! Ain't you the guy that was trying to tell me that I ain't hot shit because I've got the internet at my fingertips? I call Foul on you, Boutros Boutros-Ghali. I've yet to steal my position from anyone. I know where I stand. You know where you're supposed to stand and search for evidence of why you should be standing at all.
Here's a little commentary on the subject, as long as we're on it:
"Here, Paul turns the table: when maturity comes, it is immaturity that is made useless. As explained earlier, "that which is in part" means "immaturity" in the same-yet-opposite way in which "that which is perfect" (Gr. to teleion) means "maturity." Immaturity is done away by the coming of maturity (Gr. "teleios" - perfect), for the mature makes the immature useless. "When I have become a man, I have made useless the things of the babe" (i.e., the thinking, speaking, and reasoning of childhood). The mature believer does away with former imperfections of early development and immaturity. Again, the goal of every individual is to become "perfect" (mature) like the Master (Lk 6:40; Matt 5:48; Matt 19:21), bringing forth fruit to perfection (Lk 8:14). Comparing scripture with scripture, it is easy to see that "perfect" is the end goal of sanctification in the life of the believer--namely, to reach maturity in all spiritual things. Parallel verses that speak of "perfect" (Gr. "teleios - mature) are found in nearly every New Testament letter. Being "perfect" is the goal of sanctification of individuals (see: 1 Jn 2:5-6, 4:12-21; Eph 4:11-12; Heb 13:20-21; 1 Cor 14:20; 1 Thess 3:10; Phil 3:12-16; Col 4:12; 2 Cor 7:1-2; James 1:4, 3:2; 1 Pet 5:10; Lk 6:40; Matt 5:48; Matt 19:20-21). An examination of parallel verses on "perfect" reveals that goals of spiritual sanctification include the following: *maturity in knowing/doing the will of God (Heb 13:21; Col 4:12; 1 Thess 4:1-10; Col 1:9-11; Rom 12:2-9; 2 Tim 2:20-21; James 1:4), *maturity in the word of righteousness and discerning good and evil (Heb 5:12-14/Eph 4:11-12; 1 Cor 14:20), *maturity in holiness in the fear of God (2 Cor 7:1; James 3:2; 1 Thess 4:3-8; 1 Thess 3:10-13), *maturity in divine love (1 Jn 2:5-6; 1 Jn 4:16-21; 1 Thess 3:10,12, 4:9; 1 Cor 13 --all; 1 Cor 8:1-3), *maturity in spiritual gifts/ministries (Rom 1:11-12; 1 Cor 1:4-8; 1 Cor 14:20,26,39-40; Eph 4:12,14-16), *maturity unto the measure of the very stature of the fullness of Christ (Eph 4:13,15; Gal 4:19; Rom 8:29; 2 Cor 3:18). The process of spiritual sanctification by the Holy Spirit (2 Thess 2:13; 1 Cor 6:11; 2 Cor 3:18; 1 Pet 1:2) nurtures spiritual "babes" unto spiritual "adulthood" (full grown, perfect). The "babe" language of 1 Cor 13:11 correlates to the spiritual "babe-hood" addressed in 1 Cor 3:1-2, 1 Cor 14:20, 1 Pet 2:2, Heb 5:12-14, and Eph 4:14. It is the calling of every Christian to become holy and like the Master (1 Thess 4:3-9; 2 Cor 7:1; Lk 6:40). The Holy Spirit begins His work on newly regenerate Christians (the "babes" of 1 Cor 3:1-2, 1 Pet 2:2, 1 Cor 13:11/14:20, Heb 5:12-14, and Eph 4:14), and, through the means of sanctification/edification listed in Ephesians 4:8,11-12, 1 Corinthians 12:18,28-31 and Romans 12:1-9, He brings them unto maturity to be like the Master (Lk 6:40). In 1 Corinthians 13:11, Paul shows that spiritual maturity is a process of spiritual development from being babes to being full grown--to be like Christ himself. It is important to note that Paul makes application of 1 Cor 13:11 a few verses later in 1 Corinthians 14:20, where he exhorts the Corinthians to be "perfect" (Gr. teleios - "full grown") in their understanding of spiritual gifts and to not be "children" in their understanding. The context makes it clear that the Corinthians had been childlike in their use of spiritual gifts, and Paul was calling them to maturity concerning the powers of the Spirit and their proper use in the Church. The Corinthians were full of immaturity, acting upon a childlike understanding concerning the mysteries and powers of the Kingdom Age (the "powers of the age to come" - Heb 6:4-5)."
When I was a child, I believed in Authority. Now that I am older, evidence guides me. Stories of a washed up human in a desert does not inspire me at all. Knowledge and understanding, to me, is inspirational. I would also suggest that you keep your computer and use it to gain understanding of the world's truths. I do not condone doing anything that is based in the belief of a supernatural entity.
I believe in doing what is just, not what I am told.
Reaching down, I fumbled with his belt then undid his pants. He unbuttoned my jeans and pulled them off. I leaned forward and caught his cock with my mouth. Teasing the head I plunged it into my throat. "Oh yes, that's a good girl" he gasped as his hands griped my hair. His hips thrusting, he began to fuck my mouth, moaning my name. "Yes let me fuck your mouth" he said as he rammed his hard-on in and out of my throat. I could feel his excitement as he throatfucked me.
What's the difference between a car and a golf ball? Tiger can drive a ball 400 yards.
Tiger Woods wasn't seriously injured in the crash, but he's still below par.
What were Tiger Woods and his wife doing out at 2:30 in the morning? They went clubbing
Tiger Woods crashed into a fire hydrant and a tree. He couldn't decide between a wood and an iron.
Ping just offered Elin an endorsement contract for her own set of drivers; to be named Elin Woods.” clubs you can beat Tiger with.
Tiger was driving an Escalade; can he blame the accident on his caddy?
Hello, Mr. Woods. This is the On Star operator. We have detected that an angry person has put a golf club through your window. We've called Nike. A new club is on its way.
Who among us doesn't hear a car crash and immediately grab the closest golf club we can find?!
Tiger's new movie: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Hydrant.
Tiger Woods owns lots of expensive cars. Now he has a hole in one.
Once again, people try to win an argument by disparaging the people with whom they are attempting to argue.
For starters, here's the thing you need to realize: there is no "non-belief system." You might have a "belief system" but I surely don't have a "non-belief" one. There's no "system." You believe in a long, drawn-out mythological framework. Some of us don't. It's that simple.
Thinking there's a factory at the north pole full of toy-building elves, and reindeer that fly, and that there's a way for a big fat guy to fit down any chimney (or squeeze through a keyhole for those kids who don't have chimneys yet question how they get their presents), and someone who can turn water into wine, and Easter bunnies, etc., etc. is a "system."
My not believing in any of that is not.
And let's make something else clear: I don't care what you believe. Think what you want. If you want to argue that atheists are stupid for what they don't agree with, I'll disagree with you. But quite frankly, as far as I'm concerned, you can believe whatever you want. I don't agree with you, but I certainly won't refer to you as "idiotic."
